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The Inside-Out Podcast

This podcast tells stories from the Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program, an international educational program with an innovative pedagogical approach tailored to effectively facilitate dialogue across difference. It originated as a means of bringing together campus-based college students with incarcerated students for a semester-long course held in a prison, jail or other correctional setting. This podcast is produced by the Inside-Out Center, which trains and equips higher education instructors to teach courses comprised of incarcerated and non-incarcerated students.
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Mar 12, 2019
"No human being should be defined by the worst mistake they've ever made." 
 
The fifth episode of the Inside-Out Podcast features Professor Harold Dean Trulear. Dr. Trulear is an associate professor of applied theology at Howard University School of Divinity. He completed the Inside-Out Instructor Training Institute in January 2018. Click HERE to apply for upcoming trainings in 2019. 
 
The Inside-Out podcast is hosted Dave Krueger from The Inside-Out Center, the international headquarters of The Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program located at Temple University in Philadelphia, PA. 
 
Episode Guide: 
 
0:03 Host Dave Krueger describes the episode. 

1:02 Tyrone Werts gives an overview of the Inside-Out program. 

2:00 Interview begins with Dr. Trulear.

2:10 Tell us your story about how you became an educator?

3:23 You are also an ordained, Christian minister. What role does your faith or your theology play in your approach to criminal justice and education?

4:05 Why did you make the decision to enroll in the Inside-Out Instructor Training Institute?

5:50 What is unique about the Inside-Out methodology of teaching?

7:08 Could you share about your experience of walking into Graterford Prison during the training?

8:43 Please describe the Ethics and Politics course you teach at the DC Jail. How is it different from the course you teach on campus?

11:11 Could you share some stories of student interactions you have observed so far?

14:48 What kind of an impact has your class had on your students from both sides of the prison wall?

17:13 Given your training as a sociologist, what kind of an impact do you think the Inside-Out method of learning has on the world beyond the classroom?

18:37 As it pertains to your teaching, what give you the most hope for the future?

Jan 29, 2018
The fourth episode of the Inside-Out Podcast features world-famous entertainer Nick Cannon. Nick is best known from popular television shows such as NBC's America’s Got Talent, MTV’s Wild and Out, and movies such as Drumline and Chi-raq. Nick recently spent a week at the Inside-Out Instructor Training Institute sponsored by The Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program. Nick talks about his journey as educator, his heart for justice, and his passion to tell stories from those at the margins of society. 
 
Also in this episode, you'll hear a spoken-word piece called Lessons from the Geese, recited by Kempis "Ghani" Songster. Ghani was recently released from Graterford Prison after serving 30 years. 
 
The Inside-Out podcast is hosted Dave Krueger from the Inside-Out Center located at Temple University in Philadelphia, PA. 
 
Episode Guide
 
1:30 Tyrone Werts Describes Inside-Out in 60 Seconds
 
The Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program facilitates dialogue and education across profound social differences. Inside-Out courses bring traditional college students and incarcerated students together in jails and prisons for semester-long learning. These courses ignite enthusiasm for learning, help students find their voice, and challenge students to consider what good citizenship requires. 
 
Since it began in 1997, Inside-Out has grown into an international network of more than 800 trained instructors from across the U.S. and several countries. Correctional and higher education institutions have partnered to create opportunities for more than 30,000 "inside" and "outside" students to move beyond the walls that separate them. Inside-Out generates social change through transformative education. 
 
We are more than a program. We are changing the world. 
 
2:27 Nick Cannon Discusses the Inside-Out Instructor Training
Nick Cannon first encountered Inside-Out as a student of Dr. Bahiyyah Muhammad of Howard University. Dr. Muhammad teaches courses at the D.C. Jail, which combine incarcerated students and students from Howard. 
 
In January 2018, Inside-Out facilitated its 52nd Instructor Training Institute. This training was held partly at the Pendle Hill Retreat Center and partly at the State Correctional Institution - Graterford, both located near Philadelphia. The training was facilitated by Ella Turenne, Lori Pompa, and the men of the Graterford Think Tank. Since 2004, Inside-Out has trained 830 educators from around the world, and the think tank at Graterford has trained more than three quarters of them. Nick Cannon was among the educators, who attend this training and he agreed to share his experiences on the podcast. 
 
19:48 Ghani's Meditation on Lesson from the Geese
In this last segment, you will hear from Kempis "Ghani" Songster. Ghani was sentenced to life with out parole when he was only 15 years old. On December 28, 2017, Ghani came home from Graterford Prison after serving 30 years. His release came in the aftermath of a Supreme Court decision, which declared it to be unconstitutional for juveniles to be sentenced to life without parole. Prior to his release, Ghani was an active leader in the Graterford Think Tank. While co-faciliting trainings and community workshops, he frequently took on the role of "the closer." He would often recite a poem or offer a meditation that captured the essence of the lessons learned during the day's gathering. As a gifted orator, and a man of deep spiritual insight, his closing words would often stir the imagination, and inspire people to persevere in the struggle for a more just and humane world. Here's Ghani reciting and interpreting a story he once heard called Lessons From the Geese.
 
Ghani recently received tickets from Philadelphia Eagles safety, Malcolm Jenkins, to attend the Super Bowl LII in Minneapolis. Read the ESPN article here
 
 
Closing by Tyrone Werts:
The Inside-Out Podcast is a production of The Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program. To find out more about the program or make a financial contribution please visit the website at insideoutcenter.org
 
This episode produced and edited by Craig Stanton of Revival House Recording and Film. 
Sep 14, 2017

In 2012, the U.S. Supreme Court held in Miller v. Alabama that it is unconstitutional to sentence a juvenile offender to mandatory life-without-parole. A 2016 ruling allowed this to be applied retroactively. In practical terms, this means that those juvenile offenders previously sentenced to mandatory life-with-out-parole can seek re-sentencing by the trial court. That is exactly what happened to John Pace, Stacey Torrance, and Charles Brown. They were featured in a Philadelphia Inquirer article from September 6, 2017, about formerly-incarcerated "juvenile lifers." In this, the third episode of the Inside-Out podcast, Dave Krueger talks with them about their experiences of higher education in prison and the role that Inside-Out courses played in their personal and professional development. 

Episode Guide:
2:25 --Charles Brown, Stacey Torrance, and John Pace introduce themselves. 
 
3:05 -- You are all alumni of Inside-Out courses, which combine incarcerated and non-incarcerated students together for semester-long courses. Could you describe what it was like to meet the "outside" students on the first day of class? 
 
8:10 -- What were some of the techniques in the Inside-Out classroom that you thought were most helpful to get students to engage in dialogue with one another? 
 
13:26 -- How is the Inside-Out approach to teaching different than other teaching approaches you have encountered? What do you think are the attributes and methods of an effective educator? 
 
18:23 -- Given the highly divisive political and cultural climate in the U.S. today, do you think the Inside-Out model of dialogue and learning can have any relevance in the world outside of prisons and jails? 
 
23:36 -- What kind of an impact did Inside-Out courses have on you personally while you were living inside the prison? Do you think that these courses had any effect on changing the culture of the prison? 
 
30:40 -- The three of you are just a few months into your new life on the outside of prison. What's next for you? What are you looking forward to? 
 
36:43 -- Where do you see yourselves five years from now? 

The Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program:

The Inside-Out Podcast is hosted by David M. Krueger and is a production of The Inside-Out Center at Temple University in Philadelphia. The Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program is an educational program that facilitates dialog across cultural differences and social status. It started in 1997, originating as a means to bring together campus-based college students and incarcerated students for a semester-long course held in a correctional setting. This educational model has been replicated across the United States and in several countries. It has grown into an international network of nearly 800 trained faculty, 22,000 alumni, and hundreds of higher education and correctional administrators, who have sponsored classes over the past 20 years. Inside-Out seeks to bring about social change through transformative education. To find out more about the program, make a financial contribution, or apply to upcoming Instructor Training Institutes, please visit the website at insideoutcenter.org.

Jun 5, 2017

This episode of the Inside-Out Podcast features James Forman, Jr., a professor of Law at Yale Law School. Dr. Forman talks about his journey from public defender to law school professor and how the Inside-Out pedagogy informs his teaching. He'll also talk about his new book Locking Up Our Own: Crime and Punishment in Black America.   

Episode Guide:

1:30: Could you start out by sharing your journey from serving as a public defender to teaching in a law school?

5:37: How did you hear about and how did you get interested in teaching through the Inside-Out program?

7:37: What was it like teaching a class in the Inside-Out model for the first time. Do you think teaching an Inside-Out course changed how you taught your other classes? 

12:54: Let's shift gears for a minute. You have a new book out, Locking Up Our Own: Crime and Punishment in Black America. Could you talk a little bit about what brought you to write this book? 

18:07: What do you think is behind this decades-long shift in our society towards mass incarceration? Why has locking up so many Americans become such an accepted part of American policy?

21:55: In recent years the public discourse about mass incarceration has been changing. Where do you think we stand today, especially in light of the 2016 election? 

25:47: What do you want your readers to take away from your book? 

28:37: How does education speak to mass incarceration and, specifically, why do you see value in the Inside-Out approach to education?

The Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program:
The Inside-Out Podcast is hosted by David M. Krueger and is a production of The Inside-Out Center at Temple University in Philadelphia. The Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program is an educational program that facilitates dialogue across difference. It started in 1997 and originated as a means to bring together campus-based college students and incarcerated students for a semester-long course held in a correctional setting. This educational model has been replicated across the United States and in multiple countries. It has grown into an international network of more than 700 trained faculty, 22,000 alumni, and hundreds of higher education and correctional administrators, who have sponsored these classes over the years. Inside-Out seeks to bring about "Social Change Through Transformative Education." To find out more about the program and learn about the upcoming instructor training institutes, visit: http://www.insideoutcenter.org/index.html 
 
Bio:
James Forman, Jr. is a professor of law at Yale Law School. He has written for The New York Times, The Atlantic, numerous law reviews, and other publications. A former clerk for Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, he spent six years as a public defender in Washington, D.C., where he co-founded the Maya Angelou Public Charter School. He is also a trained instructor in the Inside-Out pedagogy. Professor Forman, welcome to the Inside-Out Podcast. 
Jan 5, 2017
In this premier episode of The Inside-Out Podcast, the founder and executive director of The Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program Lori Pompa shares her thoughts on how the program began and how it has evolved over the years. You'll also get to hear from a man named Paul, whose idea was instrumental in the birth of this program nearly 20 years ago. Paul is incarcerated in the Graterford Prison in Pennsylviania. 
 
Episode Guide:

0:20 A description of the Inside-Out program

1:29 An introduction to Lori Pompa

2:00 Lori discusses how the program began, what is unique about the Inside-Out method of teaching and learning, and her thoughts on winning the 2016 Lifetime Achievement Award for Teaching from the American Society of Criminology. 

15:52 An introduction to Paul from Graterford

Note: from here on, sound quality is lower due to technical challenges w/incoming call from Graterford Prison.  

16:30 Paul discusses the history of his incarceration and how he became motivated to become an educator. He also discusses the Graterford Think Tank and the impact that Lori has had on his life and the thousands of students around the world who have taken Inside-Out courses. 

To find out how to enroll in the 2017 Inside-Out Instructor Training institutes, visit: http://www.insideoutcenter.org/training.html 

 
About the Show: 
This podcast tells stories from the Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program, an international educational program with an innovative pedagogical approach tailored to effectively facilitate dialogue across difference.  It originated as a means of bringing together campus-based college students with incarcerated students for a semester-long course held in a prison, jail or other correctional setting. This podcast is produced by the Inside-Out Center, which trains and equips higher education instructors to teach courses comprised of incarcerated and non-incarcerated students.
 
About the Program:
The Inside-Out Prison Exchange Program is an educational program with an innovative approach to learning designed to facilitate dialogue across difference. It started in 1997 and originated as a means to bring together campus-based college students and incarcerated students for a semester-long course held in a correctional setting. This educational model has been replicated across the United States and in multiple countries since its inception nearly 20 years ago. It has grown into an international network of more than 700 trained faculty, more than 22,000 alumni, nearly two dozen think tanks, and hundreds of higher education and correctional administrators, who have sponsored these classes over the years. Inside-Out seeks to bring about "Social Change Through Transformative Education." 
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